ROUGHLY EDITED COPY LUTHERAN WORSHIP 2 61.LW2 Captioning provided By: Caption First, Inc. P.O. Box 1924 Lombard, IL 60148 ******** This text is being provided in a rough draft format. Communication Access Realtime Translation (CART) is provided in order to facilitate communication accessibility and may not be a totally verbatim record of the proceedings. ******** >> NICK: I appreciate both Joshua's questions and your responses. Thank you. You use the phrases *Lex orande, lex credende. Would you say that the material we have just been studying sufficiently illustrates the concepts portrayed by these two Latin phrases? >> DR. JAMES BRAUER: These phrases summarize the principal, it's a rather simple one, we could almost paraphrase it and say, what you see and hear is what you get. It's what's going on. So *lex orande, lex credende. This is an ancient phrase from *Prosper of Aquitaine. He actually said it in a different phrase, but we like this way of saying it now so we attribute it to him even though he didn't say it that way, meaning that what people pray is what they believe. So if you would walk into a worshiping congregation and you listened over a period of two or three services, well, even one, to what it is that they do within that service, in their words and actions, you would understand what it is they�re believing. That's why you can summarize what's going on in liturgy with this phrase *lex orande, lex credende. What we would hope to happen for pastors is that the Lutheran principles we laid out earlier would apply to what's happening so the pastor is ordering that worship to say only what God says. That border, that shield that surrounds the word of God, staying within that and that it�s delivering the gifts of God by having appropriate moments of word and sacrament and only what God has promised, not something made up by humans. likewise that there are opportunities for the person of faith to join this with their own prayer and praise asking for the mercy of God, praising God for his mercy in Jesus Christ. And all the way through it, actually to believe what is being offered. So *lex orande lex credende is kind of a way of saying how these two fit together. When it's not believed; it's not good. When people refuse to pray it; it's not what we intend. We want these two to be combined and be entirely of God and what he gives to us in his word and sacraments to use.